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MessagePosté le: Mer 22 Avr - 14:07 (2009)    Sujet du message: Stanton 500/Pickering V15 Répondre en citant

J'ai oublié, je cherche une cellule pour les 78 tours pas trop chere pour une l75 Question
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MessagePosté le: Mer 22 Avr - 20:00 (2009)    Sujet du message: Stanton 500/Pickering V15 Répondre en citant

Rasta, if you want to play both 78s and LPs, I recommend the Stanton 500 or Pickering V15 (same thing). It is inexpensive. 78 RPM styli are available for this cartridge. I recall that from previous conversations, Stanton is making a P-mount ("universal") version of it that a few Lencophiles have been very pleased with. However, I don't remember if people were using it in the L75 tonearm.

I have used a couple of needles in my L75 arm tracking quite nicely at 1.3 grams. The P-Mount standard force is 1.25 grams, but all the "universal" (P-mount) cartridges that I'm familiar with can track perfectly up to 1.5 grams. Using this logic, the current Stanton P-mount cartridge would probably work nicely. But there used to be a large range of styli for this cartridge body, and there are probably one or two current styli that are good for serious music listening. I like to think of this as a "happy" cartridge. Because of the wide range of styli that used to be available for it, it must be the most versatile cartridge ever made. In fact, I have more than twelve different styli for it!

You may be interested in the pair of needles that I'm offering now for this cartridge. They are listed in this forum. Another good option for you woud be in the Ortofon brand.

The way that I use the Stanton/Pickering 500/V15 is to buy used cartridge bodies and new needles for them. I'm so fond of this cartridge that I always try to keep five extra of the bodies on hand. Is it the best cartridge ever made? Absolutely not. Is it nice to listen to? Yes!

And it's really good for mono LPs and 78s.
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MessagePosté le: Mer 22 Avr - 23:54 (2009)    Sujet du message: Stanton 500/Pickering V15 Répondre en citant

Bonsoir rasta

Ma L75 était équipée à l'origine d'une  Stanton V15 AT1 .Je l'ai testée avec des 78t, pas de problème.Je l'utilise encore maintenant pour mes 78t, les 45t, les 33t mono et même les 25 cm pourris.

À l'origine pour fixer les stanton au porte cellule lenco, on utilisait un adaptateur pickering  du type "snap it" et il est de toute façon impératif de régler la verticalité avec des "colonnettes" ou "des rondelles".

La V15 est une super cellule pour le bras de la 75 quand elle est bien installée ( faire gaffe à l'alignement! comme les pickering,  j'ai l'impression que les stanton sont construite avec une légère inclinaison sur la gauche Question ce qui peut poser problème pour l'horizontalité Exclamation

Bon! j'avoue que mes propos ne sont pas très objectif! j'adore le son de chez Stanton/Pickering! Ma Thorens TD160 à toujours été équipée  d'une Pickering XV15/625E originale, elle à un superbe équilibre dans le rendu. j'adore
C'est un vrai plaisir pour le jazz la soul et toute la musique black , mais aussi la musique classique.

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http://www.kabusa.com/STANTONX.HTM

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My L75 was originally equipped with a V15 AT1. I tested with 78t, no problème. Again now that I use for my 78rpm, 45rpm, 33 mono and 10"LP destroyed. But it is preferable to use a pickering " snap it " or other spacers for vertical adjustment of the Headshell. I got the impression that the cartridges Stanton / Pickering are built with an inclination to the left? That distorts the horizontal.

The stanton V15 is a good cartridge for the L75 arm,but my comments are not objective! I love the sound from Stanton / Pickering! My Thorens TD160 plays with a Pickering XV15/625E original.
It is a pleasure for the jazz / soul etc and classical music.

Sorry Richard for my primitive English. Embarassed
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MessagePosté le: Jeu 23 Avr - 03:58 (2009)    Sujet du message: Stanton 500/Pickering V15 Répondre en citant

E.P. wrote and I will comment:

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My L75 was originally equipped with a V15 AT1. I tested with 78t, no problème. Again now that I use for my 78rpm, 45rpm, 33 mono and 10"LP destroyed.



What was destroyed?


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But it is preferable to use a pickering " snap it " or other spacers for vertical adjustment of the Headshell. I got the impression that the cartridges Stanton / Pickering are built with an inclination to the left? That distorts the horizontal.



The cartridges should be level from side-to-side. If it is tilted, somone has bent the mounting "ears." The cartridge should be parallel to the record when viewed from the front. When playing 78s, you should use a 78 RPM stylus because the record groove is 3 or 4 times larger than the Mono LP or stereo groove.

The one thing that I dislike about Stanton's cartridges is the mounting design.

Use whatever spacers you have. If the mounting ears are not bent, the cartridge body is at the correct angle if the headshell surface is parallel to the record.


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The stanton V15 is a good cartridge for the L75 arm,but my comments are not objective! I love the sound from Stanton / Pickering! 



Note that the Stanton 500 and Pickering V15 are not the names of cartridges. They are bodies. The sound of any Stanton/Pickering cartridge is the sound of the stylus.

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"My Thorens TD160 plays with a Pickering XV15/625E original.
It is a pleasure for the jazz / soul etc and classical music."


I agree. Unfortunately, the D625 stylus is no longer available. The 750 needle is a good match, too. I think that it sounds wonderful in the L75's tonearm.

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"Sorry Richard for my primitive English."

Ha ha!
My French is worse than your English!
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MessagePosté le: Ven 24 Avr - 23:06 (2009)    Sujet du message: Stanton 500/Pickering V15 Répondre en citant

Hello Richard

First, sorry for the confusion, my cartridge is exactly a Pickering V15 P/AT, not stanton ( but is the same thing!?)

When i said "destroyed" is a expression to refer to the olds recordings! The proper term is "very used".

For the 78rpm, you're right.
In truth, i not use the V15 with the Lenco for the 78 rec, exeptionnelle only to testing the records, because i was an AT1 stylus no good for the 78 rec. (I have also a cabinet handle gramophone whith a Thorens mecanisme, but i prefer not to play records on, it's too destuctive for ths records!)

I agree with you for the mounting desing.

For the assembly cartridge on the heashell i using the original adapter Pickering and i have no problem with the vertical adjustement of the arm, but my headshell is not perfectly parallel with the record, i suspect the V-blocks to be the cause. For now,i corrected with the adapter.

True! The sound of stanton/pickering is the sound of differents stylus! For this reason, iwill replace my ATconical copy stylus by an original elliptical stylus. What is your opinion for the Pickering D5E and the Stanton D50EE MKII or D5100EE on a V15 with 75 arm?

For my XV15, i am lucky to have found a sellers who has the originals 625E stylus in old stock with a great low price! I'm saved!
I never listen the 750 stylus, but in the futur, on the Lenco with another XV15 to replace the V15...(?)

You listen to the stereohedron stylus 757S and the 1800S ?
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MessagePosté le: Sam 25 Avr - 07:35 (2009)    Sujet du message: Stanton 500/Pickering V15 Répondre en citant

E.P wrote:

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First, sorry for the confusion, my cartridge is exactly a Pickering V15 P/AT, not stanton ( but is the same thing!?)


Yes. They are all the same. The "P" and "NP" are the same as the other two, but in their original [code]period, probably preceed the V15 tracking angle. There was at least one further tracking angle change (in the bodies) later on, of +3 degrees.

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For the 78rpm, you're right.
In truth, i not use the V15 with the Lenco for the 78 rec, exeptionnelle only to testing the records, because i was an AT1 stylus no good for the 78 rec. (I have also a cabinet handle gramophone whith a Thorens mecanisme, but i prefer not to play records on, it's too destuctive for ths records!)


This is mostly correct. People on the old radio usenet group have stated that certain very old shellac records contain an abrasive, so that the record will wear out the needle rather than the opposite. The name of that forum is rec.antiques.radio+phono. I do not have personal experience one way or the other about this because my main interest is in LPs. The Stanton 78 styli are very good, but Stanton no longer makes special sizes for the very old shellac records. Expert Stylus does, however.

[code] ...i have no problem with the vertical adjustement of the arm, but my headshell is not perfectly parallel with the record, i suspect the V-blocks to be the cause. For now,i corrected with the adapter.[/code]

This is a classic L75/L78/B55 problem. The arms usually tilt to the right. Replacing the V-blocks are a first order of business, and you'll find lots of help for that right here in French. It's much better to correct this with nice rigid blocks instead of adapting the cartridge in the headshell.

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What is your opinion for the Pickering D5E and the Stanton D50EE MKII or D5100EE on a V15 with 75 arm?


These are all very different needles. The D5E is a 100 x 180 micron stylus. It's a nice size, especially for older records; it's in the "disco" pressure range: compliance 14, force 1-3g, but I'd use it at least at 2.25 grams. The D5100EE is a nice stylus of older technology, 76 x 180 microns 1-2 grams. The D50EE Mk II is an excellent advanced stylus that transforms the 500 body into a budget audiophile cartridge. Its tip size is same as your other elliptical tip. This is a very good size for an elliptical. I don't have the specifications handy, but this probably will track at 1.3 grams and I believe that it has compliance around 18-20. I beleive that it will work nicely with the L75 arm; so will the D5100EE.

[code]For my XV15, i am lucky to have found a sellers who has the originals 625E stylus in old stock with a great low price! I'm saved!
I never listen the 750 stylus, but in the futur, on the Lenco with another XV15 to replace the V15...(?)[/code]

There were three high-performance elliptical styly for this cartridge in the Pickering line. I would choose the 625 or the 750. I don't think that you'll hear any difference between them. Their tip sizes are the same as the 500 ellipticals that you asked me about.

[code]You listen to the stereohedron stylus 757S and the 1800S ?[/code]
Not those specifically, but I know the D6800EEE/S and SII Stereohedron and Stereohedron II needles in the Stanton line. I like these very much. I prefer them to the original 6800EEE, which is a 76 x 180 elliptical.
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MessagePosté le: Dim 26 Avr - 21:21 (2009)    Sujet du message: Stanton 500/Pickering V15 Répondre en citant

I have the Lenco the past only two months and because my job, i have not free time to work on.

I think i conserve the 75 tornarm , i like its aesthétics, it has a beautiful "silhouette".
In a first time, i want to build a lot of different news V-bloks in various synthétics and others matérials for expériments.

Ho!
And a big thanks you for all your precious informations! bow

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